Re: OT: Mail Servers

[fmlazar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Frank Lazar)]

Anita,  Your response is very much appreciated.  I am a PO user and one thing I'd really be willing to purchase is some sort of iTools for Post Office,  a remote Cocoa front end to those arcane command-line utilities, and something that would let me handle batch adds and removes for mail accounts, mail list users, generate reports, etc.   And this is one thing that Tenon has done well in the past.

On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 04:57  PM, Anita Holmgren wrote:

> At 3:23 PM -0600 12/5/02, Juergen Schreck
> wrote:
> > On 12/5/02 1:53 PM, "Gordon Hesketh"
> > <gordon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >  > We've been using EIMS here
> > since ver 1.1 (we're running 3 now) and I've not
> > >  been impressed with it's features
> > > lately compared to newer options for the
> > >  Mac. 
> >
> > Would you care to list those options? The
> > ones I know:
> >
> > Apple's OSXS mail server
> > component
> > Tenon's Post.Office
> > Stalker's Communigate Pro
> > Netwin's DMail and SurgeMail
> >
> > ...
> > While SPAM control and filtering seems to
> > be all the hype these days, it's a
> > convenience service IMHO. Sorting out
> > spam is the responsibility of the
> > enduser in my book.
> >
>
> Actually the SPAM filtering feature of
> Post.Office is one that our customers appreciate the most.  One
> customer is filtering over 1000 SPAM messages a day for his
> organization!
> > Now, let's compare
> >
> > Server         
> > SMPT-AUTH       Virtual   
> > ListServ       WebAdmin
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------
> > EIMS
> > 3.1           
> > Y             
> > Y         
> > N           3rd
> > party
> > OSXS               
> > Y             
> > N         
> > N              N
> > Post.Office        
> > N             
> > Y         
> > Y              Y
> > CGPro              
> > Y             
> > Y         
> > Y              Y
> > Dmail              
> > Y             
> > Y         
> > Y              Y
> > SurgeMail         
> > PLAIN          
> > Y         
> > Y              Y
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for the market research.
> :-)
> ...
> > Post.Office falls right in the middle.
> > It's EIMS for OSX and more. I'm
> > saying that because Tenon only supports
> > it on the Mac platform and because
> > it has everything you'd want as a
> > MacOS/EIMS convert. Except: SMTP-AUTH.
> > Anita - THIS IS KILLING ME! I can't use
> > P.O. here until you guys have this
> > done. Great scores, reputable company. In
> > combination with their iTools
> > product Tenon has a killer hosting
> > package.
>
> Juergen, a version of Post.Office with
> SMTP-Auth will be available very shortly.  I've copied the
> Post.Office mailing list, because I don't want to pre-announce an
> upcoming Post.Office feature and leave the Post.Office list
> out.
> > I'm a little discouraged on P.O. reading
> > into this list daily though. It
> > seems to have some issues that will need
> > to be resolved yet and possibly
> > make it not such a good choice for a
> > production environment at this time.
> > I'm confident Tenon will get that licked
> > though.
>
> We've had some installer and updating
> issues and (as you have seen) are grappling with one of those now, but
> this is not to say that Post.Office is not a very strong mail
> server.
>
> Post.Office is being used world-wide on
> NT and Solaris, with great success.  It is very robust and
> performs very well.  The new features (for example SPAM filtering
> and IMAP) are the ones that have needed updates and the newness and
> evolutionary nature of Mac OS X, coupled with Mac OS X installer
> idiocyncracies, have been giving us a bit of trouble.  But, as
> you can also see, we have been very attentive to these issues and very
> fast with solutions (perhaps a bit too fast :-)).
> > Maybe it's just all osx. I mean - almost
> > nothing will build there out of the
> > box. Try to build postfix and SASL if you
> > care to find out for yourself. It
> > sucks from a Macintosh user perspective.
> > No, I'm ready for P.O. as soon as
> > P.O. is ready for me.
> >
> > Yet, STMP-AUTH and CRAM-MD5 encryption
> > aren't exactly bleeding edge
> > specifications. Truth probably is that
> > until the last 3-4 years or so no one
> > cared too much about securing mail
> > servers. Which is why we have this
> > wonderful world of SPAM in the first
> > place. But how any company these days
> > could put out a mail server that doesn't
> > support encrypted authentication is
> > simply beyond me.
>
> As I say, these are coming very
> soon.
>
> -Anita
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