Re: OT: Mail Servers

At 3:23 PM -0600 12/5/02, Juergen Schreck wrote:

On 12/5/02 1:53 PM, "Gordon Hesketh" <gordon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> We've been using EIMS here since ver 1.1 (we're running 3 now) and I've not
 been impressed with it's features lately compared to newer options for the
 Mac.
Would you care to list those options? The ones I know:
Apple's OSXS mail server component
Tenon's Post.Office
Stalker's Communigate Pro
Netwin's DMail and SurgeMail
...
While SPAM control and filtering seems to be all the hype these days, it's a
convenience service IMHO. Sorting out spam is the responsibility of the
enduser in my book.

Actually the SPAM filtering feature of Post.Office is one that our customers appreciate the most. One customer is filtering over 1000 SPAM messages a day for his organization!

Now, let's compare

Server          SMPT-AUTH       Virtual    ListServ       WebAdmin
--------------------------------------------------------- --------------
EIMS 3.1            Y              Y          N           3rd party
OSXS                Y              N          N              N
Post.Office         N              Y          Y              Y
CGPro               Y              Y          Y              Y
Dmail               Y              Y          Y              Y
SurgeMail          PLAIN           Y          Y              Y


Thanks for the market research. :-)
....

Post.Office falls right in the middle. It's EIMS for OSX and more. I'm
saying that because Tenon only supports it on the Mac platform and because
it has everything you'd want as a MacOS/EIMS convert. Except: SMTP-AUTH.
Anita - THIS IS KILLING ME! I can't use P.O. here until you guys have this
done. Great scores, reputable company. In combination with their iTools
product Tenon has a killer hosting package.

Juergen, a version of Post.Office with SMTP-Auth will be available very shortly. I've copied the Post.Office mailing list, because I don't want to pre-announce an upcoming Post.Office feature and leave the Post.Office list out.

I'm a little discouraged on P.O. reading into this list daily though. It
seems to have some issues that will need to be resolved yet and possibly
make it not such a good choice for a production environment at this time.
I'm confident Tenon will get that licked though.

We've had some installer and updating issues and (as you have seen) are grappling with one of those now, but this is not to say that Post.Office is not a very strong mail server.

Post.Office is being used world-wide on NT and Solaris, with great success. It is very robust and performs very well. The new features (for example SPAM filtering and IMAP) are the ones that have needed updates and the newness and evolutionary nature of Mac OS X, coupled with Mac OS X installer idiocyncracies, have been giving us a bit of trouble. But, as you can also see, we have been very attentive to these issues and very fast with solutions (perhaps a bit too fast :-)).

Maybe it's just all osx. I mean - almost nothing will build there out of the
box. Try to build postfix and SASL if you care to find out for yourself. It
sucks from a Macintosh user perspective. No, I'm ready for P.O. as soon as
P.O. is ready for me.

Yet, STMP-AUTH and CRAM-MD5 encryption aren't exactly bleeding edge
specifications. Truth probably is that until the last 3-4 years or so no one
cared too much about securing mail servers. Which is why we have this
wonderful world of SPAM in the first place. But how any company these days
could put out a mail server that doesn't support encrypted authentication is
simply beyond me.

As I say, these are coming very soon.

-Anita
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