Re: xserve vs

On 7/22/05 3:24 AM, "iTools" <itools@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

George,

 if the apache is faster on xserve but I put tenon on it... what
 happens then?  Is it the apache that is faster of is it the through
 put or network that is faster?

 Hi again,
 I did do some testing on a client's xserve as against a
 desktop G5 which had a test iTools on it on their internal network. I
 did NOT test the origial Apache as iTools had already been installed
 on the desktop. Both machines were running OSX 10.4.1 with the latest
 updates.
 There was no difference in the standard output - the Apple
 OSX Server beat iTools one 1 occasion, the iTools machine beat OSX
 Server on 2 occasions, which involved serving a 10MB PDF via HTTP
 over 30 consecutive runs & a separate 200kb HTML file file via http
 over 1000 consecutive runs neither setup was modified from the
 defaults, so it would appear that the performance is on a par with
 OSX server when iTools is installed. Both machines were connected to
 a Netgear 8 port Gigabit 10/100/1000 switch & only a client machine
 was connected.
 The difference that some have seen 'might' be accounted for
 if OSX 10.4 'client' is using Apache 1.3.x & OSX 10.4 'server' is
 using Apache 2.x, which I believe is a little faster.
 --

Bye for now, Terry Allen

That doesn't sound like a real world test...
plus transferring files in http isn't what apache was meant for. What about
concurrent users via http? Was the DNS set up the exact same?

Apache 2.* doesn't have the same options as 1.*. There are many more things
you can do in 1.* than you can do in 2.*. But yes, I do think 2.* is
faster...over all, and everything else being the same.

Oh, and the default apple server install uses apache 1.*, not 2.*.
Version 2 is included, but is not configured. The server tools configures
version 1.*. In order to use version 2, you have to configure it manualy,
then the server admin for apache is toasted. Same thing with using webmin.
Webmin is great for everything _but_ apache.

But again, I'm not bashing iTools version of apache. I haven't used it. I'm
just speaking on the supplied apple apache on client vs. server. (both on
the same hardware and same spects.)

But again, your test doesn't sound like a real world test...

--

Thanks,
George

Hi again, I agree that Apache was not originally meant for file transferring, but show me 100 users of the web who don't click on the file download link or the web designers who now insert FTP links instead of more familiar http downloads - it's a fact that many many sites now use their webservers for serving files as well as serving HTML & images. In what way is this not a real world test - it used Cat 6 patch cables that I manufactured using identical lengths from the same roll, exactly the same RJ45 connectors, the same Netgear Gigabit switch & the same files on both the client desktop G5 & the Xserve, running the latest 10.4.1 OSX version, the same DNS, identical website structures etc... etc... This is actually a better testing environment than a normal hosting environment, because you are not going to encounter problems with network delays or the like, owing to slow links or congestion. I have to disagree with your assessment of Webmin for Apache - while I prefer iTools for management of many services, I could achieve the same using Webmin, Virtualmin & Usermin & do indeed have those installed alongside iTools - Webmin presents things in a more in-depth technical nature, but I don't see any limitations in it for the management of Apache. I think you really need to download & take a look at iTools, as probably 95% of people on this list use it - there's not a lot of point of having conjecture on Apache versions which are really a little removed from Tenon's implementation. Your comments seem to be based more around the difference between the perceived speed of the Xserve & OSX Server over & above the client version on a desktop. My testing, which does involve a bit more, but not related to Apache, indicated that the 2 platforms were extremely similar. There are advantages of OSX Server in an enterprise environment, where file sharing is a major factor, but for web, FTP, mail etc..., I really don't see the benefit. --

Bye for now, Terry Allen ___________________________________________________________________ hEARd

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