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Topic: Xtools 1.2
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Eric_Yang
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posted February 07, 2003 02:57 PM
   
We know you all have been waiting a long time for an Xtools update. Now that Apple has announced X11, this may be academic, but because we have a responsibility to our existing Xtools customers, we are finalizing an Xtools update as promised.Xtools 1.2 (pre-release) is available for download now at: ftp://beta:123456@beta.tenon.com/Xtools-1.2.dmg.gz If you have any question regarding this release, please contact eyang@tenon.com.
Thank you.
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jw
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posted February 08, 2003 11:57 AM
Uh, how could I install this without blowing away my fink XDarwin installation?Thanks,
John
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Originally posted by Eric_Yang:
We know you all have been waiting a long time for an Xtools update. Now that Apple has announced X11, this may be academic, but because we have a responsibility to our existing Xtools customers, we are finalizing an Xtools update as promised.Xtools 1.2 (pre-release) is available for download now at: ftp://beta:123456@beta.tenon.com/Xtools-1.2.dmg.gz If you have any question regarding this release, please contact eyang@tenon.com.
Thank you.
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Eric_Yang
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posted February 08, 2003 12:51 PM
You can simply rename XDarwin's /usr/X11R6 to another folder, then install Xtools. Fink applications are installed in /sw/bin, therefore the applications will run under Xtools tool. Hope this helps.IP: Logged |
jw
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posted February 08, 2003 03:02 PM
Thanks, but it would be nice to hav XTools use the existing /usr/X11R6 which is more recent and working just fine as far as I can tell...
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Originally posted by Eric_Yang:
You can simply rename XDarwin's /usr/X11R6 to another folder, then install Xtools. Fink applications are installed in /sw/bin, therefore the applications will run under Xtools tool. Hope this helps.
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suguri
Junior Member
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posted February 08, 2003 09:18 PM
WOW! Xtools is back!!
Slower than Apple's, but faster than OroborOSX. Works fine with VirtualDesktop. Redraw bug has been (somewhat) fixed.
Good job, Tenon!I concur with jw that it would be nice that Tenon releases standalone Xtools.app so that existing /usr/X11R6 can be used. IP: Logged |
Eric_Yang
Junior Member
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posted February 08, 2003 10:36 PM
We are trying to make Xtools binary compatible with other Xwindow servers, but certain features are different from XDarwin, and Apple's X11 server. For example, very large font requests, Apple used shared memory technics. Therefore, you will encounter random crashes, if you use /usr/X11R6 binaries from Apple's X11. If you use XDarwin's /usr/X11R6 binaries, you will experience more crashes when switching window managers. To sum up, it's possible to share /usr/X11R6, but it's not recommended.IP: Logged |
dieterf
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posted February 22, 2003 04:03 AM
Can i config the X11R6 directory to use "Apples X11" parallel to Xtools? If not i think to prefered Apples X11 (based on XFree86 4.2.x, no problems in the past, in different to XTools)IP: Logged |
Eric_Yang
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posted February 22, 2003 01:59 PM
You can run Xtools.app on top of Apple's X11 /usr/X11R6 directory. However, there are some difference that Apple made to their X11 distribution that is not open source. We can not gaurentee that it is fully compatible.IP: Logged |
bethany
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posted February 26, 2003 09:52 PM
Sorry to say, but I believe that we will probably not buy your product now that X11 from Apple has come out. I hate the fact that they encouraged you to create this and then came out with a competing product, but there's nothing to be done about it now. I would say that you can probably leave this arena with no hard feelings. Thank-you. quote:
Originally posted by Eric_Yang:
We know you all have been waiting a long time for an Xtools update. Now that Apple has announced X11, this may be academic, but because we have a responsibility to our existing Xtools customers, we are finalizing an Xtools update as promised.Xtools 1.2 (pre-release) is available for download now at: ftp://beta:123456@beta.tenon.com/Xtools-1.2.dmg.gz If you have any question regarding this release, please contact eyang@tenon.com.
Thank you.
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dieterf
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posted February 27, 2003 12:13 PM
You are failed! I tenon had complete and fix it product, last years ago. Never had interests to build an alternativ X11 server. After XFree is stable, Apple makes it faster. Whats the problem? You haven't made your job in the past and now ...
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Originally posted by bethany:
Sorry to say, but I believe that we will probably not buy your product now that X11 from Apple has come out. I hate the fact that they encouraged you to create this and then came out with a competing product, but there's nothing to be done about it now. I would say that you can probably leave this arena with no hard feelings. Thank-you.
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Macgorilla
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posted March 02, 2003 09:05 AM
I am sorry to say that this is too little, too late. This should have happened years ago. When Tenon first came out with Xtools I was first on the bandwagon, evangelized it and so on. But I deleted it ages ago and wont be coming back. Poor service=lost customer.IP: Logged |
andrew
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posted March 03, 2003 02:45 PM
My feelings exactly. I paid for XTools, and it was a complete waste of money. It was slow and buggy.Apples X11 is fast , supported, pretty stable, and probably will be pre-intstalled on OS X once it goes 1.0. Why Tenon did not just let XTools quietly die is beyond me. Goodbye.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Macgorilla:
[B]I am sorry to say that this is too little, too late.
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pmcd
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posted March 04, 2003 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by andrew:
My feelings exactly. I paid for XTools, and it was a complete waste of money. It was slow and buggy.Apples X11 is fast , supported, pretty stable, and probably will be pre-intstalled on OS X once it goes 1.0. Why Tenon did not just let XTools quietly die is beyond me. Goodbye.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Macgorilla:
[B]I am sorry to say that this is too little, too late.
Well I for one am glad they did not let it die. It says something about Tenon that they followed through on a promise. This is actually quite rare in the computer world. Given Apple's X11 (beta) it is unclear what will hapen at this point. However, Xtools is certainly as good if not better than Apple's product and I also prefer it to XDarwin.
Apple's product will get better. I wonder if the release product will remain free. Their previous X Windows' products (for < OSX) were never free. I think they should have it as part of the default install though.
I do thank Tenon and certainly have no hard feelings at this point (which may not have been the case had they failed to upgrade it).
philip
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Anita Holmgren
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posted March 05, 2003 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by pmcd:
Well I for one am glad they did not let it die. It says something about Tenon that they followed through on a promise. This is actually quite rare in the computer world. Given Apple's X11 (beta) it is unclear what will hapen at this point. However, Xtools is certainly as good if not better than Apple's product and I also prefer it to XDarwin.
Apple's product will get better. I wonder if the release product will remain free. Their previous X Windows' products (for < OSX) were never free. I think they should have it as part of the default install though.
I do thank Tenon and certainly have no hard feelings at this point (which may not have been the case had they failed to upgrade it).
As a way of making amends for our unusually late development, we contacted all registered Xtools customers to offer them the option of a free license for MachTen (UNIX for Mac OS) or XTen (X11 for Mac OS). Anyone who hasn't been contacted directly may simply write to sales@tenon.com to indicate their preference. You are right in saying that there are a lot of unknowns with Apple's X11. Independent of how that goes, Tenon wanted to at least bring Xtools to the 1.2 level. Thank you for your "thanks". :-) -Anita IP: Logged |
bigjoeystud
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posted March 06, 2003 01:46 PM
We were an early adopter of Xtools as well, and feel somewhat disappointed that it took this long to get somewhere. Apple's X11 is much faster and works well enough and is getting better. Your freebies are worthless to those of us who only use OS X. Personally, I would be happier if Tenon elected to donate what they've done to the OpenSource Darwin/XonX community and give up spending money on this dying package. If you must maintain this package, there is one feature that none of the X11s have. That is support for Crystal Eyes via X11 (although Apple may do this too). We don't need so many competing X packages splitting our already low number of developers for Mac. I would rather Tenon spend time/money making the next killer application for OS X that is worth purchasing. Thanks for listening! joey IP: Logged |
dtaflin
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posted March 19, 2003 05:09 PM
This product is still potentially useful for users of OS X 10.1, on which Apple's X11 does not run. XDarwin/XFree86 runs on that OS, but to date does not have OpenGL acceleration. It is coming, but other aspects of Xtools are still more polished.IP: Logged | |
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